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Prometheus to add up to 526 units

Original post made on Mar 21, 2014

On Tuesday, Prometheus Real Estate Group got the City Council's stamp of approval for 66 more apartments for its Manzanita complex on El Camino Real.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, March 21, 2014, 9:27 AM

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Posted by Mr Adviceo
a resident of Bailey Park
on Mar 21, 2014 at 11:04 am

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Posted by Mr Adviceo
a resident of Bailey Park
on Mar 21, 2014 at 11:04 am

Another shiny example of how $$$ Talks Loudly.


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Posted by Old Ben
a resident of Bailey Park
on Mar 21, 2014 at 12:24 pm

When they wanna build offices, the scream for housing, when the want to build housing, they scream corruption. Seems nobody is ever happy.


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Posted by Garrett83
a resident of another community
on Mar 21, 2014 at 2:04 pm

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Buildings don't look bad, better then eyesores and rundown buildings. Could have been cheap nasty looking apartment buildings.


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Posted by Feeling fine
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Mar 21, 2014 at 2:06 pm

"Prometheus will have to pay fines for removing two large trees from the site without permission."

How big are the fines?


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Posted by CP Resident
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 21, 2014 at 2:43 pm

Old Ben - People are afraid of change. It's scary for some.


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Posted by Martin Omander
a resident of Rex Manor
on Mar 21, 2014 at 2:48 pm

Old Ben and CP Resident are right on the money. People don't like change and they will complain about anything. We have a bustling economy, Mountain View businesses want to hire more people, and it is reasonable that we build more housing so we keep traffic manageable.


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Posted by More people to use up our water
a resident of Monta Loma
on Mar 21, 2014 at 3:04 pm

Is there any wonder why our water supplies are running out.

526 more toilets to flush, tubs to soak in, washing/dishwasher machines to run. These add up. But like the state, the people do not know how to do math.

And this is only in Mt View, add to that all the other construction going on in the other cities.


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Posted by Wow
a resident of Shoreline West
on Mar 21, 2014 at 3:06 pm

I could come up with a 100,000.00 to keep crap apartments out of the neighborhood, if that is all the bribe, The City Council wants.

How does building more housing keep the traffic manageable?


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Posted by Garrett83
a resident of another community
on Mar 21, 2014 at 3:28 pm

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526 toliets have to get somewhere, low flush or no flush we have to spend the money water saving buildings. Thousands of single family homes, hundreds of garden style apartments with acres of landscaping in the hot valley.

Water for here or there comes from the same source.

We have to start spending money on alternative transportation options


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Posted by Dereliction
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 21, 2014 at 3:37 pm

Personally, I'm fine with these new apartments. They are much better than the old broken down retail bldgs previously there.

How can 4 council members pass a project change that they admit to have not seen before? It simple. There's 100,000 reasons. Residents of SWAN have been sold out for a measly $100K in the city coffers that will go straight into the pockets of staffers. These 4 are sending a clear message for when they run their next campaigns. If you need me to spell it out for you, well, you are not paying attention.


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Posted by Really
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 21, 2014 at 3:52 pm

Are we proud of Promethues charging 8,000.00 dollars for a two bedroom apartment?


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Posted by Garrett
a resident of another community
on Mar 21, 2014 at 4:56 pm

8,000.00 dollars a month for a 2 bedroom, that is what I call free market supply and demand. 96,000.00 dollars a year, but remember landlords know that they can and can't get.

Hotel in Palo Alto getting 700.00 dollars a night for a hotel room.

350.00 dollars for jeans or maybe more.

It is called the free market, consumerism at its finest or maybe being dumb.

The thing is people are buying products and services that are enabling the people come and rent these high rent buildings.


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Posted by lunch money
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Mar 21, 2014 at 6:03 pm

@feeling fine - Here's my best guess on the fine. According to these city web pages (Web Link and Web Link), it looks like Prometheus will have to get a "post-removal permit." The fee for heritage tree removal is $116 for the first tree, $58 for each additional tree on the same property. Then they will have to either buy the city 2 new trees, or pay an "in-lieu" fee of $250 per tree. So, that's a total of $674. Chump change, really. Why follow the law when you can pay the fine with your lunch money?


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Posted by Time out Needed.... NOW
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Mar 22, 2014 at 8:29 am

Let's see.

Council voted on a project containing many changes they just discovered. City endorsed a developer who illegally took down trees. City had no idea what level of public benefits should be offered. Staff thought that some property beautification elements would suffice. City engaged in last minute haggling to define a public benefit "fee" with no economic basis and with no defined use.

I fear to imagine what the approval of San Antonio Phase II will look like.

Time to follow Palo Alto's lead and put the brakes on fly-by-night zoning.

Web Link


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Posted by Garrett83
a resident of another community
on Mar 22, 2014 at 9:12 am

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I would say fine them more then that or have them pay for tree planting of 20 trees. Not just parking lot trees but Oaks, Redwoods and real beautiful that will last.

Public benefits should be money for public buildings or equipment. Lawn sod, tennis courts repair, paint for schools, books, funds to buy land for parks, tools and tires for public vehicles, or streetlamps.


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Posted by Time out Needed.... NOW
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Mar 22, 2014 at 9:43 am

We should not leave it to a certain "resident of another community" serial poster to define what Public benefits should be.

The City has to define those .... in public before approving any other project.

Time to follow Palo Alto's lead and put the brakes on fly-by-night zoning.

Web Link


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Posted by Village.sanantonio
a resident of another community
on Mar 22, 2014 at 10:13 am

From a community impacted by traffic gridlock inflicted by sanantonio phase-1 ...

Time out needed: It is comforting to know that you are recognizing the runaway train
Sanantonio phase-2 is going to be.

Multistory office buildings, hotel and a movie theater in a area with no proximity to a freeway.
These absolutely do not belong. Restaurants and condos and park should be in phase-2 .
Nothing.

Development is running amuck in mountain view and taking down north Los altos around
Sanantonio road with it. Only developers that don't live here benefit.


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Posted by Linda Curtis
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 22, 2014 at 11:03 am

People don't like change because it wrecks the quality of life at their property. How would you like four stories to tower over your backyard where your children play? Who is looking down upon you & your family? How fair is it to trade your view of half of the sky and all of your privacy and quiet for $100,000 to the City? Or for any price? Why is our city allowed to sell our zoning protection? Zoning is supposed to protect us from just this sort of thing happening. My lifelong investment in my one story little four-plex, all labor self done for 40 years, is going to be ruined for this reason, when 801 ECR is built. This will happen again with the proposal to build beside one story homes (with long term residents) where HARV's CAR WASH is currently: Four stories butting right up against several one story homes that house real people who will lose the private use of their yards and now must keep their blinds & curtains shut, when they did not have to before, as the fence between them and the car wash was sufficient for their well lit & yet private enjoyment in their homes. Do you want to be next for this? If not object! Our rights and freedoms should not be for sale by the city! Don't object and see what else our city sells out from under us.


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Posted by Garrett83
a resident of another community
on Mar 22, 2014 at 1:04 pm

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I have never believed in letting developers to decided what public benefits should or in the case of Palo Alto. Businesses being public benefits, yes shared parking is a public benefit.

Jumbotrons No, long term open space Yes, plaza at a apartment building, funds for a summer youth program Yes. Funds to maintain bike trails Yes but bike parking in a garage maybe.


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Posted by Time out Needed.... NOW
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Mar 22, 2014 at 1:28 pm

@Garrett

I agree that the nature and the size of Public Benefits for Mountain View should not be defined by developers (... or out-of-town serial posters like yourself).
They also should not be hacked together by City Council, minutes before approving a project.

Time to follow Palo Alto's lead and put the brakes on fly-by-night zoning.

Web Link


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Posted by Linda Curtis
a resident of Castro City
on Mar 22, 2014 at 2:02 pm

Those public benefits just mentioned can be paid for by the City of Mountain View without trading away anything. Our City Council must quit trading away things to big money like dictators. We should be able to count on things, as we used to. Would you mind if your backyard, half the SQ. FT. of your home, +your car and/or bike got traded away for the good of others elsewhere in the city? Same thing as trading away someone view of half the sky and the privacy in their backyard or their ability to get through traffic around town. The revolution in Russia benefited the public greatly... at the extreme expense of the wealthy who owned the stuff that was redistributed to all. Does that sound good to you? In my experience, give something for free to someone who didn't work for it and they won't appreciate or work to maintain it as would whose who had worked for it in the first place. I thought we knew that social plan didn't work and is flawed beyond redemption. Aren't we more in favor of democracy? If so, we must maintain our zoning protections so it makes sense to work hard to improve a piece of property. I never would have if I knew this was going to happen to it.


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Posted by Garrett83
a resident of another community
on Mar 22, 2014 at 3:06 pm

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When the bubble busts and taxes shrink down, then you want the stuff.

When you have to pay so much more in services and labor because your home and rent prices are so high. Nobody wants to live here unless high wages are met.

Traffic becomes so bad incoming goods will cost more.

Why open a small businesses when the chain stores can ship in such high numbers.


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Posted by Rodger
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Mar 23, 2014 at 9:14 am

I don't want high density housing or offices in Mountain View, not now, not in the future. Vote for City Council candidates that will fight this over building. If we don't it will go on and on until Mountain View will be renamed Building and Car View


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Posted by incognito
a resident of Waverly Park
on Mar 23, 2014 at 10:06 am

Drive down El Camino Real in Sunnyvale in the afternoon. On the south side of the street is a very large new building that casts a huge shadow across the entire street. I wasn't even looking at the building, it was that the street seemed strangely dark that caught my attention.

That's not what I want for MV.

I have really enjoyed the views of our beautiful hills to the south, and there are tons of people who move to California for the sunshine. We're losing both of those with every tall building that goes up. I wish we had a height restriction.

Also, we learned at a recent City Council neighborhood committee meeting that there are 10,000 more cars per day (yes you read that right) going traveling on Grant Road than there were ONE year ago because drivers from Sunnyvale, Cupertino, etc are taking Grant Road to avoid 85. It won't be very enjoyable or convenient to live in a city that has so much car traffic that you avoid not just the freeway, but several local streets during several times of the day. Heck, I coulda stayed in Los Angeles.


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Posted by Konrad M. Sosnow
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 23, 2014 at 3:20 pm

Tthe approved building tapers down to two stories at the rear, which turned out to be too high to comply with city policies because of the proximity of single-story rental homes. City Council members approved the project with an exception to the rule.

Business as usual - What developers want, developers get! The Majority of City Council disregards the residents of nearby single-story rental homes.


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Posted by Garrett83
a resident of another community
on Mar 23, 2014 at 3:26 pm

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Most everything is single stories, to build any near, across or next door would cause suffering to single story buildings. Even 2 stories.


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Posted by Linda Curtis
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Mar 28, 2014 at 2:11 pm

Garrett83: The last thing you posted I agree with totally. The only way to not be unfair to those who paid top dollar for their single story, private residences is to keep all the new multi-story building in an area of just that, built that way from the start.


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