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Public meeting on controversial animal control ordinance

Meeting Thursday to gather input on cat licenses, other topics

A community meeting for Mountain View's troublesome animal control ordinance is set for 7 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 29, at the Community Center, 201 South Rengstorff Ave.

City officials are seeking public input on the proposed ordinance, which ran afoul of many cat owners when it was brought to the City Council in June. Among other things, the proposed ordinance includes an annual rabies vaccination and license requirement for pet cats.

The ordinance, based on a model proposed by the city's new animal services provider, Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority, got an initial vote of approval from the council, but members back-tracked after the ensuing public outcry.

Among the dozens of residents who protested to the council were several who said the ordinance would require they go against the advice of veterinarians, who recommend that indoor cats not be vaccinated for rabies.

Other topics covered by the ordinance include allowing dogs in city parks, how many animals are allowed per household and whether to use microchips or metal tags for pet licenses.

Residents can also make their opinions known via the city's online survey.

The community input will be presented to the City Council as part of a study session tentatively scheduled for Sept. 17, according to Sgt. Sean Thompson, the police department's spokesman. A recommended ordinance is expected to go before the City Council later this year.

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Posted by Old Ben
a resident of Shoreline West
on Aug 27, 2013 at 12:59 pm

The Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority clearly doesn't know anything about animals. Dump them and find a no-kill organization that does. My cat is NOT getting any rabies vaccine. He's over 10 years old, strictly an indoor cat, and the vet says NO to the rabies vaccine. He also called the SVACA "idiots" and "mercenaries."


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Posted by Otto Maddox
a resident of Monta Loma
on Aug 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Finally something is being done about all the rabid cats I see running around my neighborhood.

Oh wait... I never see rabid cats running around my neighborhood.

What is prompting the City Council to require rabies vaccines for cats in the first place? Is there a problem that need addressing?

I'm more inclined to think it has more to do with sending some revenue over to the newly hired animal control people.


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Posted by incognito
a resident of Waverly Park
on Aug 27, 2013 at 3:06 pm

I was extremely disappointed to learn from a council member that they never even visited either the Palo Alto Animal Services facility or the SVACA before deciding to change from one to the other. In fact I was clearly told that, in this case, they pretty much went with whatever staff recommended. Sounds like it's all about money and power, not necessarily what is in the best interest of pet owners. One has to wonder if anyone on the council has a cat!


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Posted by Ed Scratcher
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 27, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Is this another example of too much government?


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Posted by Grover
a resident of Rex Manor
on Aug 27, 2013 at 3:55 pm

Go after irresponsible dog owners who let their dogs crap in parks or on other private property and do not even clean it up!!!

Or the idiots that let their dogs run wild without a leash!!!

If they are looking for revenue there is a fortune to be made there.

Try enforcing existing laws instead of making new ones!!!!


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Posted by Moved Away from Mountain View
a resident of Rex Manor
on Aug 27, 2013 at 4:09 pm

There is a lot wrong with the proposals by the City Council, not the least of which is a yearly Rabies vaccine for cats?? What?? When was the last time any of them vaccinated a cat against rabies? When a cat is initially vaccinated, they need to be revaccinated the next year...after that it is every 3 years. Why are they requiring vaccinations that go against normal veterinary practices?


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Posted by Bay Area Bill
a resident of Waverly Park
on Aug 27, 2013 at 4:52 pm

Our two splendid indoor/outdoor cats have microchip implants. They don't need no stinking badges --- excuse me, collars and tags. We can't keep "safe" collars on them anyway. They just pull them off. This is just another example of ignorant bureaucrats and animals' rights idiots run amok.


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Posted by Elaine
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 27, 2013 at 9:57 pm

I have to agree with Grover's comments. Enforce existing laws and don't worry about dreaming up new unnecessary ones. There are way too many dogs running around our parks without leashes and owners not cleaning up after them. All they have to do is visit our Mountain View parks. Plenty of money to be made from citations and actually enforcing the law will be beneficial to residents of our city.


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Posted by USA
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 28, 2013 at 11:41 am

I wonder how many of the people upset over these excessive government rules and regulations have Obmama stickers their cars.


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Posted by Dogs are people too!
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 28, 2013 at 1:44 pm

Whoa Grover! I'd be afraid to meet you in a park. You have some serious anger issues. My dog is a lot more friendly, and I clean up her poop.


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Posted by incognito
a resident of Waverly Park
on Aug 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm

It's tiring when people bring up concerns about "too much government" in relation to just about any issue. While I can understand their concern, could we focus on the topic at hand, which in this case is rabies shots for cats or which shelter the city council has chosen for its residents?


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Posted by Grover
a resident of Rex Manor
on Aug 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm

@Dogs are people too!

Well perhaps you are one of the many responsible dog owners.

You do have a problem with intreprating informal communication in a negative manner, so perhaps you are the one with issues.

No need to be affraid to meet me in a park, I am a fun loving person.

You need to watch out for the dog running wild in a park who will eat your happy dog for lunch.....

@ incognito I hear you, but it looks like no one really cares about the cats


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Posted by Animal Rescuer
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 29, 2013 at 11:33 am

I am disgusted with the City Councilmembers. Despite the outcry by residents in June, Bosel (Police Chief) met privately with SVACA and developed the pathetic, biased online survey -- the results of which will influence the Council's vote. No animal welfare organization or resident from the community was consulted for their input. Bosel knows nothing of animal welfare or rescue.

We do not know the Councilmembers positions on this issue. They have been silent. We voted them in and have a right to know if they are going to merely vote for the ordinance as a favor to SVACA. Their reluctance and silence is appalling.


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Posted by reine
a resident of another community
on Aug 29, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Hello,
voicing your opinion here is fine and good, but if you want to have an influence on the council members, please do GO to the meeting tonight and SPEAK during your small allocated time.
It does not have to be fancy, just GO, at least your presence will encourage the other speakers.

If you cannot go, try to send your comments in an email to the council early this afternoon and hope they will have time to read them. Good luck.


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Posted by konrad M. Sosnow
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Aug 29, 2013 at 2:20 pm

I think that is great that the city will hear our views concerning this ordinance. The purpose of the ordinance is to protect our pets. Having said that, rabies shot practices should follow normal veterinarian practices. Only 2% of cats without microchips that get lost are returned to their caretakers while 38% of lost cats with microchips that get lost are returned to their caretakers. Make microchips a requirement! We should be willing to pay license fees to support animal control and to subsidize microchip services for low income folks.


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Posted by Jim Neal
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 29, 2013 at 2:25 pm

Jim Neal is a registered user.

Good suggestion Reine, but I have a better one. Anyone who is planning on going tonight should look for me! I won't be hard to find because I always wear my cowboy hat. I ran for Council last year and plan on running again next year. I would love to hear what people have to say on this issue. I was at the City Council meeting where it was discussed and voted on the first time and was the first to speak out against it at the second reading where the council reversed course.


Jim Neal
Old Mountain View


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Posted by Too much Gov
a resident of Monta Loma
on Aug 29, 2013 at 2:33 pm

"It's tiring when people bring up concerns about "too much government" in relation to just about any issue."

If it wasn't for BIG Government sticking their BIG nose into places where it doesn't belong, we wouldn't be having this discussion about cats. The Govt is hurting for money since they don't know how to manage money wisely, all they know is how to spend spend spend. Easy to spend money when it's not your money. Just look out, new laws will be enacted to steal more money from the average joe, to pay for the HSR Train, The Delta water diversion. Oh and then we won't have enough money for the schools, the kids then they will come begging for more. So yes, this has to do a lot with this story and many other stories to come. Bottom line is always money and everyone has their price.


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Posted by kathy
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Aug 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Impossible to keep a collar on a cat.


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Posted by olive
a resident of Rex Manor
on Aug 29, 2013 at 3:35 pm

Contact should be made with Ben Sun, DVM, and main rabies and infectious disease dr. employed by the State of California, who has REAL statistics on rabies, # of cases a year in California (3-5), and number 1 carrier (skunks). This is an attempt to generate revenue and likely frighten people into compliance, i.e., the perils their animals and CHILDREN may face w/rabid animals running around. And the painful shots in the stomach (which no longer exist; they're given at the bite site and then 5 or 6 shots in opposite arms), and hurt about as much as a tetanus shot. Having been through the series of shots, stories about knitting-needle sized injections in the abdomen are not even accurate.

If you know me, and want to contact Ben Sun for empirically based information, email me.


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Posted by Carolyn
a resident of Monta Loma
on Aug 29, 2013 at 3:52 pm

Why are we going through this again? I thought with dozens of people responding to the first city council meeting regarding this ordinance that licensing cats was a closed issue. I'm not in favor of licensing cats or giving them rabies shots. I have a 15 year old house cat. My vet recommended that rabies shot not be given.


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Posted by olive
a resident of Rex Manor
on Aug 29, 2013 at 4:11 pm

Oh, and not to mention the possibility of injection-site carcinoma and that current veterinary guidelines and practices do not recommend annual vaccinations. SVACA would have been wise to do a bit of research about vaccines prior to pushing the agenda to the public.


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Posted by Definitely too much govnt
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 29, 2013 at 4:34 pm

I totally agree that government is ramping up and pushing us all around: About our cats, our lifestyles, etc. Just look at ABAG & their mandates that make big $$ for the big developers they get to choose!


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Posted by Garrett
a resident of another community
on Aug 29, 2013 at 7:40 pm

I think talking about is fine, the number of strays will always be a problem, dogs pooping in the park will be a problem. But we are talking rabies, the cause of rabies should be talked about. Why? I know people who feed raccoons or other wild animals which in some cases next to house hold animals.

Not everyone is a good caretaker of house hold animals but I know most people really care about their critters. Part of the family. But remember that the health of your animal is important to the other animal of the community.

So maybe a little friendly talking and concerns to animal and non animal owners. Just don't spend time trying to pass dumb laws.


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Posted by Garrett
a resident of another community
on Aug 29, 2013 at 7:41 pm

I think talking about is fine, the number of strays will always be a problem, dogs pooping in the park will be a problem. But we are talking rabies, the cause of rabies should be talked about. Why? I know people who feed raccoons or other wild animals which in some cases next to house hold animals.

Not everyone is a good caretaker of house hold animals but I know most people really care about their critters. Part of the family. But remember that the health of your animal is important to the other animal of the community.

So maybe a little friendly talking and concerns to animal and non animal owners. Just don't spend time trying to pass dumb laws.


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Posted by Political Insider
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 29, 2013 at 8:16 pm

Just another attempt to expand government control and soak taxpayers


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Posted by Catownersarelazy
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Aug 29, 2013 at 8:22 pm

"Impossible to keep a collar on a cat":

Cat owners need to be less lazy.

"STUDY: 3 OUT OF 4 CATS WILL WEAR A COLLAR, MAKING IT WORTH A TRY"
COLUMBUS, Ohio – Almost three out of four cats in a new study wore collars consistently during a six-month study, suggesting that most cats will tolerate a collar even if their owners are skeptical about its success.


Web Link


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Posted by Political Insider
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 29, 2013 at 9:07 pm

@catownersarelazy perhaps you wouldn't mind if the city required you to wear a collar and register with the city?


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Posted by Greg David
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm

Greg David is a registered user.

Beware, the censors are on the prowl...

I asked if my nannies on city staff/council were going to clean my cat's litter box if I promised to license him and apparently that was not PC.

We have nannies to do things we don't like to do, no?


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Posted by CatsAreAnimals
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 29, 2013 at 11:50 pm


Indoor cats escape and become outdoor cats.
People abandon cats.
People do not always update the microchip registry when their phone/address changes.
It can be expensive and time consuming to read a microchip, if any exist (which is rare)
It makes sense to have them tagged so they can be re-united with their owners easily without processing through a shelter.
Most cats *can* take a collar, but owners give up too easily.
Even the much-heralded SF ASPCA vaccinates cats for rabies prior to adopting, so please ignore the anti-vaccinating cat nut-cases.


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Posted by Old Ben
a resident of Shoreline West
on Aug 30, 2013 at 2:52 am

All politicians should be spayed and neutered to keep them from passing their genes on to future generations. Please, do it for the children. And the cats. The internet is made of cats.

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Posted by Darin
a resident of another community
on Aug 30, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Darin is a registered user.

@CatsAreAnimals:

Are you aware that some of "the anti-vaccinating cat nut-cases" are professional veterinarians, who recommend that their patients (cats) not be vaccinated?

But I don't own a cat, so I have no dog in this fight... ;-)


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Posted by CatsAreAnimals
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 30, 2013 at 5:38 pm

@Darin: Since you seem to value the opinions of professional vetrinarians, then you might like to know that the American Veterinary Medical Association along with UC Davis Vet School recommend the rabies vaccination for kittens and cats throughout their lives. Does this mean that every vetrinarian is going to agree? No...but it doesn't make the small minority of vetrinarians that make these recommendations.


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Posted by Cat facts
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 30, 2013 at 7:53 pm

"Rabies Virus Vaccine: Rabies is an increasing threat to cats. At the present time, the number of reported feline rabies cases in the United States far exceeds that of all other domestic animals. Rabies in cats is also a major public health concern. Because of the routinely fatal outcome of infection in cats, and the potential for human exposure, rabies vaccination is highly recommended for all cats; it is required by law in most areas of the country."

-American Veterinary Medical Association


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Posted by KT
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 31, 2013 at 11:45 am

I vaccinate my animals, but that is my choice. As I think it should be the pets' owners decision with guidance from a veterinarian. That being said, I have been walking over the new walking path to google a lot this summer. I always see (even in broad daylight) families of raccoons, as well as skunks. Now, I keep my dogs on leash (and even clean up after them!) Not saying that the raccoons are rabid, but nocturnal animals that roam during the day are somewhat of a concern. So, to those people who let their pets roam or allow their dogs off leash unsupervised...just remember, their instinct is to chase animals (for the most part).


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Posted by Cat facts
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Aug 31, 2013 at 10:33 pm

@KT: Well done on making the correct decision and vaccinating your animals. Vaccinations are effective when most people do them. The less often it is done, the greater the chance for epidemics. Rabies has been extremely well managed primarily due to the vaccination protocols, but if fewer animals are vaccinated, then we could be talking about people dying, especially small children who may not report small bites or scratches to their parents.

What happens if an infected child doesn't get treated before symptoms are visible? Dead. Dead, dead, and dead.

So, at the moment, it is *you choice* whether to rabies vaccinate your pets. But, think beyond yourself. Think about your neighbors, the community.. Should we really leave it up to the individual? Is this not a community decision?




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Posted by MVResident67
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Sep 1, 2013 at 7:38 am

It wasn't until 2011 that legislation was passed allowing dog owners - whose dogs met certain medical criteria - to be able to legally not jeopardize their dogs health with mandated rabies vaccinations. I hope that if Mountain View decides to mandate that cats be vaccinated against rabies, that any ordinance will be drafted to allow for similar medical exemptions.

My cats (littermates) both suffer from immune mediated health conditions, and because of these conditions, and based upon their veterinarians medical opinion, they have not received ANY vaccinations since the conditions were first identified shortly after they received their 2nd round of vaccinations as youngsters. So, regardless of what the city decides to do regarding any ordinance which may mandate vaccinating cats against rabies, I will NOT be vaccinating my cats.

The city has the ability to draft an ordinance that will not result in my having to become a willful law breaker, but if they don't, then I will be taking a walk on the wild side.

The link below discusses Molly's Bill:

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